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ARIEL 1: Heeey there! howdy! howdy! and Welcome back to EGreenNews!
Soo, Did you know that in 1989, New York City opened a new jail—but not on dry land? They leased a barge called the “Bibby Resolution,” topped it with five stories of housing made from containers, and anchored it in the East River. For five years, it housed inmates.
avatar 2: That’s wild! But that’s just the start, right? I heard the barge has a really unusual history.
avatar 1: Exactly. It was built in Sweden in 1979. First, it housed British troops during the Falkland Islands war, then became temporary housing for Volkswagen employees in West Germany, then a jail in New York, then a detention center off the coast of England, and finally oil worker housing off Nigeria. It’s had nine names, several owners, and flown the flags of five countries.
avatar 2: That’s a lot of lives for one barge. What’s the significance of all this?
avatar 1: Well, in this one vessel you can see globalization, the transience of economic activity, and what people call “the offshore”—a lightly regulated world of quick, short-term solutions.
avatar 2: What do people mean by “the offshore”?
avatar 1: According to MIT lecturer Ian Kumekawa, “The offshore presents a quick and potentially cheap solution to a crisis. It is not a durable solution. The story of the barge is the story of it being used as a quick fix in all sorts of crises. Then these expediences become the norm, and people get used to them and have an expectation that this is the way the world works.”
avatar 2: So, Kumekawa wrote a book about this?
avatar 1: Yes, he just published “Empty Vessel: The Global Economy in One Barge.” He traces the ship’s history and all the economic and geopolitical changes behind its many uses. He says, “The book is about a barge, but it’s also about the developing, emerging offshore world, where you see these layers of globalization, financialization, privatization, and the dissolution of territoriality and orders. The barge is a vehicle through which I can tell the story of those layers together.”[1][2][3]
avatar 2: How did he even learn about this barge?
avatar 1: He found out about it because New York City got another floating detention center in the 1990s, which made him curious about the older one. The more he looked, the more he discovered. He says, “You start pulling on a thread, and you realize you can keep pulling.”[1]
avatar 2: So, when was the barge built, and what was happening in the world at that time?
avatar 1: It was built in Sweden in 1979 as the “Balder Scapa,” commissioned by a Norwegian shell company, with negotiations handled by a Swedish shipping agent based in Panama and a Miami bank. This was right after the economic slowdown and oil shocks of the 1970s—manufacturing was declining in Western Europe and the U.S., and companies were looking for cheaper global locations for production.[1][3]
avatar 2: And the barge just kept moving around?
avatar 1: Exactly. The five-story accommodation block was added in the early 1980s. It was re-registered and sent to the Falkland Islands as troop housing, then to West Germany for Volkswagen workers, then to New York and England as a jail, and finally to Nigeria for oil workers. “Globalization is more about flow than about stocks, and the barge is a great example of that,” Kumekawa says. “It’s always on the move, and never meant to be a permanent container. It’s understood people are going to be passing through.”[1][3]
avatar 2: What does Kumekawa say about the role of states in all this?
avatar 1: He says this sense of social dislocation overlapped with the shrinking of state capacity, as many states encouraged companies to pursue globalized production and lightly regulated financial activities. He adds, “In a certain sense it’s not an erosion of state power at all. These states are making very active choices to use offshore tools, to circumvent certain roadblocks.” He notes that the offshore really came into its own in the 1970s and 1980s, with both money and political interests at play.[1][3]
avatar 2: How did Kumekawa research all this?
avatar 1: He used archival work and interviewed people who knew the vessel, like the last bargemaster. He says, “I had a wonderful set of conversations with the man who was the last bargemaster. He was so aware of all of the forces at play—the market for oil, the prices of accommodations, the regulations, the fact no one had reinforced the frame.”[1][3]
avatar 2: What’s the bigger idea behind the book?
avatar 1: Kumekawa says ships are great at connecting the global and the local. He hopes the book “makes a whole bunch of abstract processes very concrete. The offshore itself is an abstraction, but it’s also entirely dependent on physical infrastructure and physical places. My hope for the book is it reinforces the material dimension of these abstract global forces.”
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*Avatar 2:* So, what’s the takeaway from all this?
*Avatar 1:* Well, as a quick recap, remember to always make learning a priority, keep exploring, and connect with fellow learners like Hugi Hernandez and the founders of Egreenews, Mmm, who knows, maybe you can find them on the web or LinkedIn. But anyways, please, always remember to be good with yourself.
*Avatar 2:* So, bye for now, and we hope to see you next time!
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